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The Right To Remain Offended Podcast or R2RO for short is Kraig, Eric, Chuck and Scott (with a special guest or two) getting together to discuss a variety of topics, from music to pop culture, maybe some politics and EVERYTHING in between.
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R2RO = Right To Remain Offended
Special Guest Episode: A Visit With Chris Logan pt. 2
Pt. 2 of our visit with local dj, Chris Logan
Remember how music used to be all about radio and physical records? Today, it's a dizzying digital whirlwind. We tackle the evolution of radio and the explosion of music streaming platforms, examining where radio missed the beat. From the democratization of artists to the rise of nationally syndicated radio hosts, we explore the seismic shifts in the music industry. We're also diving into the world of podcasting, and how it's helping us find communities of like-minded people.
But what does the future hold? Tune in as we consider how the digital age is changing the way we consume music and how radio can adapt. We also ponder the power of human curation in a world of algorithms and discuss the nostalgic charm of being on the radio. Wrapping up our conversation, we reflect on how the pandemic has transformed the music industry, and how we can use this to innovate and adapt. From the shift to home work, to the drive for vaccination, and the transition to digital media, we're discussing all this and more in our light-hearted yet insightful chat. Get ready to laugh, learn, and see the world of music and radio with fresh eyes.
So are you all digging the podcast?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, I'm enjoying it Like I think we were doing this probably once, a couple times a month anyway, right, it was just. It was like a Saturday night thing Right Now. We just doing it during the week in front of a microphone and we hit record. It's like we literally talk shit to each other daily in, you know, group techs, group tech city, right. I think the reason why it's so natural for us is because we do it all the time, right, and it just became we should do a podcast.
Speaker 3:We've had to get to the point where sometimes I come up with something to talk about and we have a text where we just put those in there because we have to tell ourselves to not fucking talk about it. Yeah Right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because we'll go through the ideas. Save it for the podcast. Oh yeah, right.
Speaker 3:So that's the biggest, hardest part about doing the podcast is not talking shit. A week ago About the shit.
Speaker 1:Like I find you guys are doing good because, hell, whenever we first started, it was y'all in. Matt was here for what? One or two?
Speaker 4:maybe One One.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he was the first one, you know so it was five people and I mean it's tough with four people in a room just to talk.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, we talk over each other a lot on Saturday nights.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I mean. I think y'all do really good in here because even just you know, being part of morning shows or whatever, I mean it's just natural. But I really thought that you guys came in and I think y'all kind of had that in the back of y'all's head Try not to talk over each other, give everybody time to talk and I think y'all been doing great.
Speaker 3:Oh good, so you're ready for us to take over your morning show.
Speaker 1:Yeah, man.
Speaker 3:We're gonna come, we'll get it.
Speaker 2:We're gonna do this. We'll do this.
Speaker 1:But I don't know if we can do it live in the afternoon. I'm gonna go five seconds delay.
Speaker 4:Five seconds delay.
Speaker 1:Fuck, we're gonna have to hire a spotty to be, the censor button. Yeah, dude.
Speaker 2:What is the FCC's rule on that? You will definitely have to follow that rule, because we're gonna have some Janet Jackson type moments where you just have to press the button on us real quick. Press the button on us real quick.
Speaker 3:Yep, I can keep my shit together, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I can.
Speaker 3:Not in that sentence that I just had, but I can.
Speaker 4:I can fucking keep my shit together. Yeah, I don't fucking have to fucking curse.
Speaker 3:I barely catch your morning shows. You know, I do not make up that early, that's all right. You want a?
Speaker 1:funny radio story. Yes, yes. So this one time I was working at Planet Radio and not many people know this story. I say it every once in a while, but I was at Bennegan's for Blarney Blast.
Speaker 3:Oh, I miss Blarney Blast so much. There's not even any. Like I was telling them that for Cinco de Mayo, I'm like, well, I can't somebody just do Blarney Blast and go to Mayo style yeah.
Speaker 1:Yep, yep, it's true. So we were doing this live broadcast and then back in those days, you know, you'd find somebody hey, how, you doing, we're having fun. So I was doing it and I remember I remember talking whatever Blarney, blast, chiwis, whatever it was. Then there was this guy that wanted to be on the air. So I was like, oh okay, so I'm talking, talking, and then hey, so, and so you having fun? And he says I'm having a fucking blast, dude, you know like when shit happens it's slow motion. Yeah, and dude, everything just went in a slow motion and like. So my mind was like stop, don't stop, just keep going.
Speaker 1:And then dude like I just kept going like nothing happened and I was just always told if something that happens, just keep on like nothing happened. That's awesome and dude, like. So I finished up and I looked at him and I'm like man, really, oh man, I'm sorry bro, but like I didn't get in trouble, like I don't know if like no one heard it or anything, but I like I did not get in trouble at all If it was during Blarney Blast.
Speaker 3:there's a chance that 92% of public and Lafayette was drunk Was yeah. It might have been in that tent.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Like nobody was actually hearing you?
Speaker 2:Yeah, nobody was listening to the radio because most of everybody was at the party.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, dude said I'm having a fucking blast. Oh my God, you dick.
Speaker 3:When was that? It was probably early 2000s. That was probably 2001, probably it could have been.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I forgot. I forgot who it was, man.
Speaker 2:But you said earlier like you were like how does nobody really interested in radio as much anymore, right, and I was actually on the drive here. I was saying somebody just got hired for a morning show here and the guy is a businessman, he does other things and like this radio gig that he just took, he's like a part-time gig, right. And I was telling my wife I was like you know, most of the people that I see now getting hired in radio it's like a part-time thing. They have a full-time gig and they do like a little part-time show in the afternoons or mornings or whatever the case is.
Speaker 2:And it might you know to me, like I guess, growing up I thought it was like cool if I could be on the radio, right, I just want to be on the radio, right. And even my daughter now she hears her commercial that we run and she thinks she's cool because she's on the radio. But she has a method in which to go do that. Now, she wanted to, she can go, she can do one of these Right, right, everybody can be on the radio.
Speaker 5:Oh, you want to hear me. I got to because, like I, tell people I got a podcast.
Speaker 2:I'm like you got a podcast. Really, I'm like yeah, yeah, yeah. You know like, oh, you making, you making some money. I'm like, nah, that shit's cost me money, right, like we just doing it because we enjoy it, but like we have a method in which this you know that that was not there back then.
Speaker 1:It was either TV or radio, or you couldn't be famous, right, and I've talked about that with a few people before and you're correct. It was like you had to be a news person, you had to be a radio person, like a musician, you know, just to kind of be out in the public. And now it's anybody can Turn on a camera don't even need a microphone, you know.
Speaker 3:His daughter already has a device. She could be putting stuff on YouTube right now.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. That's how I'm sorry.
Speaker 3:I should that? She can't do that really.
Speaker 2:We have that block, don't worry.
Speaker 4:The heaviest paid people on YouTube, the kid probably.
Speaker 3:Yeah, mr Beast no, no, no, no, there was another one that was opening toys or something. Oh, but mr Beast started it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, like yeah $20 million.
Speaker 1:Like I blame the fall of radio and radio, to be honest with you, because I don't think that radio I guess the right word is adapted. Yeah, you know what I mean. Like I don't think they adapted to what was going on. They turned a blind eye to all this digital stuff or the way people were consuming music or the music they wanted to listen to.
Speaker 5:Yeah, you know paying, all right, so this is who you play. This is who you're gonna play.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm, nice couple weeks and making this person number one radio does not break music anymore.
Speaker 3:Well an artist are democratized.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3:I know I got some artists I listen to, the never been on a major label. Mm-hmm, yep All right, they started out independent and they stayed that way. Yep yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean, it got easier to make music, got easier to put music.
Speaker 1:I mean just everything got easier and those traditional ways which they hope they all hold their place. They're just not at the top of the list anymore. Yeah, like at all. I mean, could radio have changed some things to, um, to probably fight, you know the streaming platforms and all that? Probably so. Yeah, you know, I felt that radio could have been more local. See, like, like radio is scared to talk, you better talk for 30 seconds and stop. You know for what? To play eight minutes of commercials and play a song that you already played 70 times this week.
Speaker 3:I would you know we're checking of some. I was just talking especially about stuff that.
Speaker 2:I cared about that, nobody.
Speaker 3:You know this podcast.
Speaker 1:Sometimes we talk about stuff in our local area but if it would have, really if they would embrace this Localness and not have to play a song that's going number one Nationwide, even though that song sucks or it doesn't work around here and you still have to play it. It was just this corporate ivory tower mentality. Get rid of that. Do what you're supposed to do and be local and connected to the community, and then you might not die. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:But I don't know, and you can lean the other way. I mean a lot of local. I mean a lot of these syndicated national radio hosts were people that started out at a local show.
Speaker 4:Mm-hmm yeah.
Speaker 3:Just kept going, and now you can do that so easy.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm sure you got the streaming version of the Planet Radio and probably have some people from back in the day, but they don't live here anymore. People get far flung. It's kind of nice to be able to listen back to the old, to where you from.
Speaker 2:What's going on back home? That's what I do when I travel. Yeah, like I get in my rental car. I've had people get my rental car that are from this area and I'm listening to Planet Radio and they run an ad from here and they're like wait, how are you catching that? I'm like because we got technology, now I can hear my wife on the commercial while I'm traveling. Like you know what I mean. Like I don't have to worry about none of that, I can just listen to what I want wherever I'm at.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I thought I was telling somebody that too. Some people are like man, I don't have anything to say, or nobody wants to hear what I got to say. I mean, but that's the reach of this thing.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Is if I want to find 100 people that want to hear what I have to say. Like it's not, that's out of what? How many billion people?
Speaker 4:Right, not that all right. No, they got way more people like you than you think, right oh?
Speaker 3:yeah, because everybody I mean everybody is unique, but everybody wants to think there's some kind of special crazy. I mean, oh, there's yeah.
Speaker 2:Trust me I found some of.
Speaker 3:I found some just like me already.
Speaker 2:I'm the only crazy person like this. No, you're not. No, you're not. In fact, hold them up here, watch this. Yeah.
Speaker 3:I went to eight meetings for so long. I mean I'd go every once in a while still, but in the beginning I went a lot.
Speaker 1:That's also a beauty of podcasting as well Finding these, if you want to call it community of people that are like you and put out content that you like. Yeah, I remember reading this article and like you. Take Joe Rogan, for instance, who has millions of people right. So again we come back to that. Millions of people reach yeah, right, and he starts talking about whatever little product he's talking about. Yeah, shitload of people are listening to it, but how many people are buying? Yeah, and then you take these more personalized, these niche podcasts and where you don't have the millions of people, you might have thousands, but those thousands of people are more connected to you and purchase the product you're pushing, or push your podcast.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:They're listening to it more because they have less people, but they're more connected with what you're talking about. Yeah, there could be more value in a podcast that has 2,000 listeners and that somebody's advertising a product that has to do with those 2,000, with those 2,000 people, like then advertising on a Joe Rogan type podcast. You know you might see a better return.
Speaker 3:Yeah, go back to what we're talking about, the better I can personalize what you're selling. Now. That's what people want to pay for.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but it's crazy, man. I mean the game totally changed. I mean it's the landscapes.
Speaker 5:It's a lot more radio now than I had in the past like a couple of years For whatever reason, I don't know. Radio in general is doing a little bit better job of putting stuff out there.
Speaker 3:I got tired of curating my own playlist. Right, I've gotten that away with streaming television too. Like I've gotten to the point of decision fatigue, yeah. Like I get home and I'm like I just want to watch TV yeah, but now I got to figure out what I want to watch and I always have to start it at the beginning. Like I like to be able to jump in the middle of a song and Almost the same thing with the MP3.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm, like I feel the music industry messed up with the MP3. They hated it instead of embracing it. Like the music industry and labels could have been forefront.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, go tell them about it, and directed what the MP3 was going to do.
Speaker 1:Instead of hating Napster and Bear Share and ripping CDs, they hated it Like it was the devil. So it's like no, no, no, no, no. And it kept going. Anyway, they were saying no, no, no, no, no. The worst that you could have done when they could have had a little more, say the MP3. Maybe MP3s could have been sold quicker than what it was If the record labels in the industry would have just embraced it. They's like, uh-uh, we can turn our back on it and then you end up getting screwed by it.
Speaker 3:Well, that's what you learn. You don't tell Gen Xers that they can't do something.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, technology was starting to advance so fast that people would just go Like we talked about MySpace, right, you're like well, I learned code because of MySpace. Well, when technology, when that starts to happen now your technology increases faster. So over the last five years we've seen increases at the speed that we have. Well, the next five years it's going to double or triple that speed, right? So you better start embracing some of this stuff. You know, it's like we record commercials to send to you. In my head I was thinking we need to go to his studio to record this. No, we didn't.
Speaker 2:Literally in the closet and I know my wife I have in my pocket and texted it to him and then he started running it and it was a good quality. Yes, you texted it.
Speaker 2:I, I, we record on a phone in our closet to absorb some of the echo and gets texted to me. I listen to it, proof it and I text it to him and he runs that on his radio station. Like you better start embracing some of this shit because it's gonna start moving fast and and like we've done other Radio advertising and my wife had to take time in her day to drive to the station for them to write. Like he I'm texting me. I'm like, hey, this is what I want to talk about. He's like, okay, maybe something like this.
Speaker 2:I took what he wrote, I put it in chat. Gpt told it to rewrite it funnier and it took his stuff, rewrote it. I let her read it. She says, yeah, I could fly with that next morning. Record it. Daughter says, print stuff on stuff on the same recording one. Take on the last one, by the way. Yeah, text it to me. I listen to it. I said I'm good, you good. She says, yes, I sent it to him. Run it Boom, just like that. Like you better embrace it because it's coming, it's here, yeah, like Gary V and all those guys.
Speaker 5:They're all like if you're telling your kids to get off of tick-tock and social media right now, you teach them the wrong thing. I know it is the future. Yeah, they need to learn how to use that. So whenever they get to their career, they need it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I've been like telling our parents don't, don't let them get on the internet.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right, yeah, that, yeah, it's not.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's the people that you talk to at work. But that's the people you talk to at work nowadays to say I ain't good on that computer stuff and I'm like what you mean that computer stuff, like every you, everything is, that's all like you. Yeah, if you can't do computer stuff, your stuff you're in a buying cat, my nine-year-old.
Speaker 2:If I'm like now, you ain't having that iPhone, you can have a flip phone. I'm handcuffing her. Yeah, if I don't teach her how to start coping and dealing with some of that stuff now, she's gonna be in a buying when she's 20 and I'm asking her wipe my ass, right, because I'm not doing it no more. I'm not teaching her to do with no more.
Speaker 3:You know they had a phone challenge, but it was. It was seeing how much you could limit your phone usage to strictly using it as a phone Like pick that thing up Does tax count or just phone calls?
Speaker 3:How about phone and text? No, getting on the internet, no other apps, just phone and text. How long can you do it? So think about that, just don't look things up. Just don't look things up. But the person that I was reading about did it but said I had to go. I had to get up and go to the computer, like we used to do. Remember when we had a little Razer flip phones and then we had a little laptops with a little Wifi A and Wifi B. You decide if you want a fast speed or you want to be able to get across the house with it, one or the other.
Speaker 2:So what you're saying is if we don't do it, we don't teach our kids how to deal with it, we end up like radio and they're going to be lost.
Speaker 1:And I listened to some of that stuff. Gary V says man, and I think a lot of it is true. Obviously you don't want to let a six-year-old free with a phone, but I mean, they got to start using it. I mean, look in the classroom now, man, it's all Google Chromebooks that they're trying to get to and, just like all this technology, all three of my girls have a Chromebook.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the kid told me the other day. I was like, yeah, whatever, you get to your locker, and she looked at me like I was crazy, like I was some kind of fucking dinosaur. I'm like, wait, she's just looking at me. I'm like in between classes and go to your locker and switch your books out. For real confused, didn't I know what I was talking about? Somebody said, hey, they don't have lockers anymore. I'm like oh my god, how old.
Speaker 2:No lockers because they don't have very many books. Everything is on that Chromebook. No, they don't need a locker because all you need is a notebook or two in your backpack and you go class to class with that in your Chromebook and that's it. That's a wrap. You might have one or two books and you just carry them with you. That's wild. I'm a dinosaur because I use the fucking locker and.
Speaker 4:I know how to use a combination lock.
Speaker 3:What the fuck. But some of this stuff's come full swing too. I mean, chuck was talking about listening to more radio. Now, part was because we just put this right, the plan out, started listening to it again and I reminded myself that I used to tell people one my music stopped in 1999.
Speaker 2:All of my playlists.
Speaker 3:Nothing went past it, but part of that thing was is. That's when we started downloading all this stuff, and I stopped discovering new music. One thing you did teach me, though, is even having a DJ play something from the old days. You play stuff I forget about.
Speaker 4:And Pandora doesn't cover Right Because the algorithm feeds me what.
Speaker 1:I interact with it doesn't remember that thing.
Speaker 3:It doesn't remember to spank the monkey at this one song.
Speaker 4:That was really good, I love that stuff and that's what happens with the new stuff too.
Speaker 3:I told Harry I was like I need to start discovering new stuff. And when you get on some of the radio as much rap as I listen to I only post my loan, whatever's showing up.
Speaker 2:Now.
Speaker 3:I know that I love his music, so that's why I still need humans to sometimes go. Hey, I'm over here doing some work for you. Let me tell you what I went and found in the world.
Speaker 4:But it's also the way he did it. See, you could use it through carplay, you could use it through Android. Auto so it meshes in our technology. So, it's not the old in the same vehicle that I could listen. He's going to radio now. I don't even know the station because I don't listen to FM radio ever so, but I listen to station on the way to work at eight o'clock, but not through that.
Speaker 3:Well, I listened to the. I listened to the terrestrial station, because they're upgrading the.
Speaker 2:The on the.
Speaker 3:IG and laugh yet. Oh, yeah, and every time I get to the corner of Coliseum and Baster. I have zero coverage. So my pet, none of my stuff works.
Speaker 1:Pandora, nothing is only what I have downloaded, so I just swap it over to FM and like, when I was approached to put playing it on the radio, I thought about it, you know, because I was doing pretty good on my own with just the apps and the website and all that stuff. And again I was looking forward. You know, like I wasn't looking back. I wanted again to be on the forefront of what was coming Now and I tell people this a lot, what I have done the planet, just the online streaming station, a mere five, six years ago, no, I wouldn't have taken that chance. The way people consume music apps, all that stuff, it's just the next thing.
Speaker 1:So I gave it a shot and I mean I saw a lot of success with it. When they asked me to put it on the radio, I like I thought about it and I'm like, oh man, like you know, do I want to? And then I ended up saying, yeah, you know, only because, like the nostalgia being on the radio and I figured it could make the brand a little bit bigger, yeah. And then, honestly, on the other hand, I'm like, okay, well, if I don't do it and then they do it, then I'm screwed, yeah, you know. So I was lucky that they came to me to do it and first they were like come to our studio and you know the mute. And I'm like, what do you mean? And I'm like I'm not, we're talking about technology. I'm like I can't Like what you mean, you can't. I'm like I just bought a building, like I've been building my Chris Logan media for the past year. I can't stop.
Speaker 1:I'm like I can't give it up.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean that lockdown did a lot of damage.
Speaker 1:Oh, but it changed the game. But it changed the game, oh my God, so what?
Speaker 3:you're saying with what you did with the radio. I know that did some things there and I remember too we have a lot of friends that are DJs that during that we were all stuck in our houses and they started doing some live sets on Facebook and. Twitch and some other places and like that was too it was another example of I forgot about that song. Like I need somebody to remind me. I want to get back to stop letting algorithms feed me stuff and stop making me have it aside all the time.
Speaker 5:Yeah, remember playing that in the living room during COVID. Oh yeah, dude, like a trash listening to one of them do we had like two bottles of wine, got all fucked up.
Speaker 2:We're all messaging each other.
Speaker 5:In the same room. Oh man yeah.
Speaker 3:Some song comes on. I remember we used it in the bathroom Puking with it.
Speaker 2:Everybody was calling each other out for 20 years ago, I mean.
Speaker 3:so it's a bunch of people with their kids dancing and in the comments it's everybody calling each other out. Yeah, they're in there 20. I know, dude and yeah.
Speaker 1:so like coming back to that. So I ended up saying yeah, and I'm like I'll do it, but I got to do it, I got to do it like my way, my way yeah. And then they said okay, and the owner was like whatever you need, get it.
Speaker 2:To me, that's the way to do it now. Like you said, the lockdown changed some things. Before that, I didn't even want to learn how to use teams meetings right.
Speaker 2:Because I'm like I just don't like just come over here and let's have a meeting, right. But then we were forced to do it and now I'm like, oh man, I can literally do my job, the current role that I'm in anywhere, the majority of the stuff that I do for my day job, is not even in the state that I reside in, and that's like I work out of that office, right, and I go over there when I need to, but the rest of the time I can do it from here right now, if I wanted to, in the middle of this podcast, you know, and it's going to get done.
Speaker 1:About six, maybe eight months into the pandemic I was working at another radio station group that fired me because I didn't get the thing.
Speaker 2:And you sound like you were afraid to offend somebody. I was sitting and I'm just saying oh, so yeah, that fired me for not getting vaccinated.
Speaker 1:But we had this call with this guy from a marketing agency and, look, I grew within 100% and like when he said it, I'm like, dude, you are right on. And he said that COVID sped up the evolution process. And I'm like, oh, dude you are spot on, because it's true. It forced mom and pops to find some kind of digital way to sell their products, like Pigley, wiggly and Church Point had freaking curbside pickup in an app. You know what?
Speaker 2:I mean yeah, yeah, well, it's it. It forced these companies, right, you know like, but it forced people to take that step.
Speaker 1:I mean they had to. You either did it or you were going to.
Speaker 3:I think it's over. The necessity is the mother in mention in COVID. Well, the lockdown created a lot of necessities because also everybody's revenue dropped to zero.
Speaker 2:They figured something out in a day. Yeah, yeah, correct.
Speaker 1:Like. So, like when I was working at the other station where I was working at, they got fired because I didn't get vaccinated. I was working from home in from mid-March of 2020 to when they fired me in October of 2021. Wow, really, we were working from home, I was doing my show from home.
Speaker 4:You was doing your show from home but needed to get vaccinated.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for a year and almost two years, oh yeah.
Speaker 4:And then they fired you because you weren't vaccinated.
Speaker 3:That was the rule, and I'm like well, just, and you box up your stuff and like well, let me pack up my shit and move it to the other desk, to the closet yeah.
Speaker 1:But yeah, dude, so they wanted everybody to come back to work. So in order to come back to the building. They wanted everybody to get vaccinated and I mean I said no me. The crazy thing was like I had COVID twice during the whole COVID thing, like from DJing weddings. That's everybody, a lot of people got COVID back then. And I still had the antibodies and I knew because I got donated blood.
Speaker 1:Oh, plasma and it showed in your report that you got, whether you had it or not, and I'm like, look, I have antibodies. I don't feel like I need to get vaccinated and I'm like I'm not. It's like man, we're not going to let this thing ride for like six months and just seal it. No, that's the rules. Damn it. So, like four of us left, damn it. Well, I think we all.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we appreciate it, and they created a necessity for you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it did I mean it forced me to Innovate Exactly Yep, that's awesome.
Speaker 2:Hey, we're doing a podcast now because all that should happen.
Speaker 3:Have yourself.